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HIV套子脱落HIV破套几率HIV艾滋病症状分析

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安全套脱一半,出症状,3周4代酶联译自Medhelp
 

安全套, Medhelp, 症状
安全套脱一半,出症状,3周4代酶联阴。看看Dr.HHH是怎么说的吧,固然这些都是公理了,还是再烦琐烦琐,由于有人问过套子脱一半,只盖住龟头的题目。

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问:Iama28yearoldmalefromIndia.IrecentlyhadsexwithavietnamesesexworkerinMalaysiaon08thMay'2009.Wedidkisstongueinvolvedbutidonotremeberhavinganysoresinmymouth
.Whilehavingsexmycondomslipped.butIdidnotcomeintoher.Iwasinsideherforabout3to4minmax.WhenIpulledoutmycondomwashangingfromthetipwiththefrontofpeniscovered.Thoughtheouterskinwhichcoverswasexposed.IdonotknowherstatusforHIV
.IgottaaHIVag/abcombotestdoneat7days20daysand25days.Theyhaveallcomeouttobenegative.ButIhavehadaunexplainedsorethroatsince26thMayandwhichstillcontinues.InfactlastnightIcouldsleepallnightandIcouldfeelmybodytemperaturekeptongoingupanddown.Ihadafeelingofsomesweataswell,alongwithpaininmylefthand.LastweekIhadalsodevelopedainfectionwhereiniwasfeelingaburningsensationonmypeniswhichwentawayinthreedays.Ihadveryverymildlikefeverfeelingaswellduringthelastweek.IaminIndiaanddoctorsheardonothavemuchexpertiseonHIVIhaveconsultedafewandallofthemsaycomeafter3months.TheanxietyiskillingmeandIdonotknowwhattodo.DothesesymptomssuggestHIV
我是来自印度的一名28岁的男性。我最近5月8日的时候在马来西亚和一位越南的性工作者性jiao。我们进行了舌吻但是不记得我嘴里有没有伤口。当我们XJ的时候套子滑落之后,我就没有插入了。我插入的时间最多大约3-4分钟。当我抽出的时候套子挂在YJ的前端,盖住了GT部分。尽管YJ的其他部分皮肤是暴露的。我不知道他的HIV的状态。我分别在7天,20天和25天的时候做了4代酶联的检测。全部为阴性。但是我从26日之后不知道为什么嗓子一直痛到现在。实在我昨天晚上可以睡一整晚,我能感觉到我的体温时高时低。我还感觉有点盗汗,左手也有点痛。上星期阴茎感染了,火烧火辣的痛了3自然后就好了。上个星期我有非常稍微的感觉像发热。我在印度,医生看起来在HIV方面并没什么经验,我咨询了一些医生他们都说3个月之后再来。我恐死了,我不知道该怎么办啊!这些是艾滋病早期初期的症状吗?
(译注:这个印度的英文实在是狗屁不通,翻译起来太费劲)

 

答:WelcometotheHIVforum.YouhavenolegitimateHIVworrieshere.First,youdon'tknowyourpartnerhasHIV;mostcommercialsexworkersarenotinfected.Second,evenwithunprotectedsex,thechanceoffemaletomaletransmissionisaround1in2,000foreachepisodeofunprotectedvaginal[被屏蔽]Third,iftheheadofyourpeniswascoveredbythecondom,protectionwascomplete.Finally,at20and25daysafterexposure,anegativeHIVcombotest--i.e.bothantibody
andp24antigen--isvirtually100%proofagainstanewHIVinfection.Consideringallthesefactors,itisvirtuallyimpossiblethatyouhaveHIV.
YoursymptomsdonotsuggestHIV,notintheslightest.
Youshouldfollowyourowndoctors'advice.Iftheysuggestafinaltestat3months,doit.Youcanexpectnegativeresults.Goodluck---HHH,MD
你恐的不着边际了。首先,你不知道你的对方是否有HIV;绝大多数性工作者是没有感染的。其次,即使无保护的性行为,一次阴道性行为的女传男的概率也只有大约1/2000。再次,假如你的GT被安全套覆盖的话,这种保护就是完整的。最后,暴露之后20天和25天,4代酶联的阴性结果就是证实你没有被感染的事实上的100%的证据。考虑到只许这些因素,你事实上不可能感染。你的症状完全不能说明就是HIV。听你医生的话,假如他们建议你3个月的时候做一次检查,去做吧。你可以期待一个阴性的结果。

 

MEDHELP里两名专家对窗口期的见解汇总
 

首先是DR.HOOK,他是比较守旧坚持12周的(注明:这是)
We don't debate with other web sites on this forum.  It would be too big a mess.

What your other web site says about 6 weeks would also stand for the 3-6 month statements.  These are a tiny fraction of which typically occur in persons with problems with their host response (i.e. are immunocompromised) or who have taken antiretroviral therapy during their incubation period.  Just about all normal folks have their tests as postive by 8 weeks and 12 at the very outside.

The qualitative PCR provides additonal information that you do not have
.  Although PCR tests typically are positive
tests, there really are not a lot of data to absolutely support their 28 day claim however. EWH

回答:
   我们不评价别的网站.这可能会引起争吵.
   你说的别的网站上的6周代表3-6个月的说法.这些是有极小一部分人,典型的发生在有宿主有反响题目的身上(比如说免疫损坏)或者是在埋伏期使用抗逆转录治疗.对于只许的一般人(假如感染),8周时检出阳性,12周那已经很外围了.(关于PCR,不重要)

To: any Doctor

Is my 12 week HIV negative conclusive   is it the same as 3 months   Is oraquick Advance accurate  Can I move on  

by Edward W Hook, MD


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, Apr 18, 2008 01:34PM
Yes
Yes
Yes to each of your questions.

Time to move on

EWH
提问:我12周的检测结果正确吗?等同于三个月嘛?口腔快速检测正确度高吗?
回答:是!是!是!你三个题目的答案都是对的!

Finally, on the 29th, at four weeks you can expect that the HIV test would detect between 85 and 90% of HIV infections that had occurred 4 weeks earlier.  At 6 weeks the figure goes up to 95%, at 8 weeks tests are 98-99% accurate and at 12 weeks results are entirely conclusive. In your situation with a single exposure of the sort you describe, the 4 week test will go a long way towards proving that you do not have HIV.  Hope this helps.  Take care.  EWH
回答:大体意思为:4周正确率为85-90%,6周为95%,8周为98-99%,12周可以下终极结论     DR.HHH对窗口期的见解 一个WW哭着问Dr.HHH,说他100天阴后要转
Dr.HHH说以后直接看到这样的帖子就直接删!
他发多少都不会有回应!

 

So congratulations!  You can go forward with 100% knowledge you didn't catch HIV during the encounter 12 weeks ago.
恭喜你!从你做了12周阴性的测试中知道,你百分之百没有感染HIV
With modern HIV tests, almost nobody has seroconversion delayed more than 6-8 weeks.  No known medical conditions or medications delay seroconversion, including "prostatitis" or any STD (which I tend to doubt you had and which isn't an STD, but that's another story) and ciprofloxacin.  Terminal cancer and similar dire illnesses might do it, as may potent chemotherapy -- but even those are theoretical, with few if any actual proved instances of actual occurrence.
在现代HIV检测下,几乎只许人的血清阳转不会超过6-8周.未有已知的可以推迟血清阳转的医学条件.包括(某类性传播病)

晚期癌症和相类似的终结疾病可能可以推迟它,像化疗-但是他们都是理论上的,现实发现的例子几乎没有!

Relax.  You were not infected.  
test results are completely reliable 3 months after a new
-- indeed your  negative test at 8 weeks was almost 100% reliable. (3个月的结果完全可信,的确你8周的结果激活100%可信了.)

1) Some very conservative advisors advise testing as late as 6 months.  I do not; I have never seen nor heard of anyone's test taking more than 3 months, and in my personal experience it has never taken more than 6 weeks. (一些守旧的建议者会要求6个月,我不会;我从来没见过,没听说过有需要超过3个月的,以我个人的经验 不会超过6周!)

 

关于无套,破套的行为风险和推举的检测时间译自Medhelp
 

Medhelp, 风险, 行为, 推举, 检测
1.从Dr.HHH的回复中可以看出,一次和性工作者的无保护的异性性行为,男性的风险不超过1/200000。其中假设性工作者的感染比例为1/100,这个比例和中国根本接近;而和确定的感染者性jiao一次行为的风险为1/2000,这是美国官方的可靠统计数据,这点中国完全可以参考,根据中国大多数人性jiao力度,这个风险甚至更低。假如是中途破套的话这个风险应该比1/200000更低。假如大家对抽象的概率没有概念的话,我可以提供两个数据,1)在美国一年中死于交通事故的比例约为1/1725,美国的交通安全应该比中国好很多;2)甲型流感的死亡概率约为1%,WHO专家推测全球将会有700万人死于甲感,反推受感染人数将超过7亿人,中国按比例将会有至少一个亿的人感染,从而可以推知一个一般中国人死于甲感的概率为(1%)*(1/13)=1/1300,再退一步假如中国操纵得力,只有5000万的甲感感染者,也还有1/2600的感染者。你还担心吗?所以美国专家并不以为一次高危有立即就去检测的必要。2.关于推举的检测时间/排除时间,很分明就是6-8周,也就是说你心理素养好的话查完6周就OK了,假如心理素养不好接着查8周。但是有一点,你有199999/200000的把握期待一个阴性的结果。
Q:TodayIhadprotectedanalsexwithaworkinggirl.TheproblemisthatduringthesessionInoticedthatthecondomripped.WhenthathappenedIimmediatelywashedmypeniswithwater.Bothofuswherefreakedoutaboutit.Iaskedherifshewasclean.Shestatedthatshewas.IalsotoldherthatIwascleanasIjusttestedmyself3monthsago.Iamstillprettyworriedaboutthis.IHonestlydon'tknowhowlongIwasinthereunprotectedasInoticedthatthecondomrippedwhenIdecidedtopullitout.Ihopethatitwasn'tmorethenacoupleseconds.HowhighismyriskShouldIconsiderPost-exposureprophylaxisA:Soyouhadanepisodeofunprotectedvaginalsexwithapartneratrisk.IfshehadHIV,theaverageriskoftransmissionissomewherearound1in2,000--perhapslowerinthiscase,iftheexposuretimewasshortafterthecondombroke.Butsheprobablydoesnothaveit.Hostcommercialsexworkersarenotinfected,andpeoplerarelylieaboutHIVstatuswhenaskeddirectly.Thefactthatsheroutinelyhashercustomersusecondoms,andthatshewasasfreakedoutasyou,aregoodsignssheisn'tinfected.(Statisticallyspeaking,shewasatgreaterriskofcatchingHIVfromyouthanyouwerefromher.)

Overallrisk:ChanceshehasHIV,say1in100(tops).Ifshehadit,chanceyouwereinfected,1in2,000.Thatmakesyourrisksomewherearound1in200,000--andit'sprobablylower,sincealmostcertainlysheisnotinfected.Youdefinitelydonotqualifyforpost-exposureprophylaxis.YourriskofHIVreallyisn'tevenhighenoughtoneedHIVtesting.However,likemostpeopleonthisforum,mostlikelymyopinionwon'tcompletelysettleyourfears,sofeelfreetobetestedifyouwish.Ifso,haveastandardHIVantibodytestin6-8weeks.Youcanexpectnegativeresults.

Let'snotgetintoastringoffollow-upcommentsasinyourlastthreadontheSTDforum.Ofcourseaddacommentifnew,pertinentinformationcomesup,likeifyourpartnergetstestedandyouknowforsurethatshedoesordoesnothaveHIV.Basedontheinformationprovidedsofar,myopinionandadvicearen'tlikelytochange.


 

淋巴肿,起疹子,盗汗,单核细胞增多症译自Medhelp
 

疹子, Medhelp, 淋巴, 细胞, 单核
Q:hello,ihavebeenthroughmanyofthethreadsaboutriskandsypmtomsandiunderstandiamrelaitivelylowriskbutamveryconcernedaboutsymptoms.
performedcunnilingusonfemalesexworker.nopenetrativesexandnooralreceived.Masturbationreceivedwithbabyoil.
2weeksafteristartedtonoticesmallwhitespotsonmylipsfollowedbyadrycough.4weeksafter(ieyesterday)ihavenoticedenlargedlymphnodesinneck,groinandunderarm(groinandunderarmaremildlypainful).nofeverbutihadnightsweatslastnight.
hadafullstiscreening6daysafterandallclear(includingHIV).hadanotherHIVtestat22.5dayswhichwasalsonegative.irealisethesetestswereperformedearlybutineededsomeformofreassurance.
shouldigobackinforatestat4weeksorwaitfor6or8weeksDoctor'sAnswer问:你好,我看了很多关于行为风险和症状的帖子,我也知道我的风险相当地,但是我还是很担心我的症状。我的行为如下:给一位女性工作者舔阴。没有插入式性jiao,没有口交。接受了用婴儿油的手淫。2周之后我发现我的嘴边有些小白点,并且伴有干咳。4周之后(也就是昨天)我发现颈部,腹股沟和腋下的淋巴肿大了(腹股沟和腋下的淋巴伴有稍微的疼痛)。昨天晚上盗汗但不发热。6天之后做了一次全套的性病检查(包括HIV)全都没题目。22.5天的时候做了第二次HIV检查还是阴性。我知道这些检查做的早了点,但是我还是需要某些形式来消除我的恐惧。我需要在4周的时候再去做一次检查吗,还是等到6周或是8周?A:Asyouknow,theriskofgettingHIVfromoralsexisvanishinglylowandmaybenon-existent.Whileyouhavethesymptomsofaviralillness,thesymptomsyouhavehadlackanumberofelementsoftheARS.Furthermore,hadyoursymptomsbeenduetotheARS,thenyourHIVbloodtestshouldhavebeenpositivewithinjustafewdaysaftertheybegan.Puttingallofthistogetherwithyournegativetestresults,youcanbeconfidentthatyoudonothaveHIV.Inyourcase,goonandgetarepeattestand,whentheresultisagainnegative,beawarethatyoudidnotgetHIVfromtheencounteryoudescribed.
Asforyoursymptomsandtheviralillnessyouhaveexperienced,ifthesymptomspersistyoumaywanttoseeyourowndoctorforevaluationandsymptomatictherapy.Ifyoudohowever,pleasedonotworryaboutHIV,youdonothaveit.
Hopethishelps.EWH答:你知道,口交的风险是难以觉察的低,也许并不存在。固然你的症状是由病毒引起的,但是还是缺少一些急性期症状的根本元素。此外,假设你的症状是急性期症状,那么在症状开始后几天你的HIV的血液检查应该为阳性。综上所述,加上你的阴性的检查结果,你可以相信你没有感染。根据你的情况,再去检查一次,当结果再次为阴性的时候,那你应该意识到你没有被你所说的那次行为感染。考虑到你现在的症状和病毒性的疾病,假如症状持续的话你可能需要去看你的医生了,让他来给你做一个诊断和消除症状的处方。无论如何,请不要担心HIV,你没有被感染。Q:Tor.Hookthankyouforyourcomments.Atthispointiamextremelyconcernedabouttheonsetofsymtomsbutiamveryclearabouttheriskthatiencountered(ienopenetrationandnooralreceived).Itwasaoneoffandnothinglikethishashappenedbefore(orsince).Ihavealwaysbeenverycareful.
Ihavenofeverandnorashthaticansee.within2daysoftheencounter,ididdeveloparashonthbackofbothlegs.theyweresmallspotswhichlookedinfected.thedoctorgavemeanantibioticwhichseemedtoclearthemup.shealsotestedthemforherpeswhichprovednegativealthoughshesaidthatsheverymuchdoubtedthatthatswhattheywereanyway.Couldthisrashbeanindicatorofhivsoearlyaftertheencounter
Ihavehadmildpaininwhatseemstobemybladder,almostdirectlyabovethepenisforabout10daysnowandmydoctorseemedtothinkthatthiswasjustastrain.isitpossiblethaticouldhavegotaninfectionfromthemassage.Iwouldhavethoughttheantibioticwouldclearupanybacterialinfectionsoiamassumingitisaviralinfection(mysymtomsbackthisup).
Iam29yearsoldsoproabblytoooldforglandulourfeverItisnow30dayssincetheencounter.iamkeentotestagainbutshouldiwaitto6weeks问:Dr.Hook,谢谢你的建议。这个时候我格外地担心症状的发作,但是我也很清楚我的行为风险(就是没有插入式性jiao和没有口交)。而且就这一次,以前(或者说以后)从来没有发生过类似的事情。我一直都很小心的。我没有发热,也没有我可以看到的疹子。那次行为之后的2天内,我腿的背部确实出疹子了。这些疹子都很小,看上去像是细菌感染。医生给我开了一些抗生素,似乎把它们都清理了。尽管她说她是非常怀疑这些症状是由那些原因引起的,但她还对次做了疱疹的化验,结果为阴性。这些疹子可能是HIV在如此早的时候的一个征兆吗?我的膀胱有稍微的疼痛,差未几就在阴茎的上方,持续到现在10天左右,我的医生以为很有可能是紧张所致。有没有可能是通过推拿感染的呢?我以为抗生素应该可以清理掉那些细菌感染,所以我猜有可能是病毒感染(我的症状支持这个观点)。我29岁,有没有可能是我对传染性单核细胞增多症(腺热)来说太老了呢?(译注:年纪大了就不会得?看不懂,我直译过来的,有看懂的请指正。下次仔细研究一下单核细胞增多症是个什么玩意儿)从那次行为到现在已经30天了。我非常想去检查,是不是应该等到6周再去呢?

A:Inallhonesty,yourconcernoversymptomsismisplaced.Therearemanycausesofsymptomssuchasyourandiftheytroubleyou(asopposedtocausingapprehensionbecauseofconcernaboutyourrisk)youshouldseektheadviceofyourownhealthcareprovider.
YourchancesofhavingHIVarevirtuallyzero,evenwithoutatest.At4weeks(30+days)wellover80%ofinfectionswillbetestedbyanHIVtest.Getonebutthen,onceagain,Iurgeyounottoletyourapprehensionsandguiltgetthebestofyou-believetheresult..EWH答:实事求是地说,你对症状的担心不值得。你的症状可能由很多原因引起的,假如症状依旧困扰你(),你应该去寻求医生的帮助。你感染HIV的几率事实上就是0,甚至都不用考虑4周阴可以排除80%以上。我再说一次,去查一次,但是到时候我劝你别被你的担忧和内疚感{屏蔽词语}了—相信检查的结果。(译注:意思就是告诉别到时候又恐结果恐针头什么的)

 

 张老师笔记:

这里主要想说明的是关于三周、四周及六周,甚至三个月的关于艾滋病窗口期问题,张老师同样认为您,认为是多少就是多少,什么时候算窗口期就是窗口期,不要因为国际上对窗口期没有明确的定义就胡乱相信,最后弄得自己都矛盾了。所以社会是一个包容性的机构,既囊括了激进的一面,也包含了保守的一面。所以我们更多的还是通过行为进行分析。当然,如上例子中很多说明了同中国人一样的疑问,包括症状,心理,几率和责任问题的,所以说大家也可以客观的站在旁观者的一个角度,去看待有关于自己的一系列问题。

 

 

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